Hockeystick Open Thread

Comments on the Hockey Stick is Broken article have really overrun, so they are now closed. I have not had the time to pipe in as much as I would have liked.

I have however seen the requests for an open thread for various digressions, such as Skip’s interest in analyzing social science aspects of the climate debates, so here it is….

Given the recent outbreak of Yamalitis, it is probably a good time, too.

352 thoughts on “Hockeystick Open Thread

  1. Sometimes its fun to look back over old posts to see what was said months or even years ago, and to see the validity or otherwise of what people predicted or claimed.

    The parent thread to this one – “The Hocky Stick is Broken” is an interesting case in point.

    Back on 11 September 2009 (post #45), snowman made this fearless prediction:

    “….But in another couple of years, three at the most, we will all look back in amazement that anyone ever took climate alarmism seriously….”

    How is that working out for you there snowman?

    As if that wasn’t bad enough, in the very next post (#46), GFW asked snowman this question:

    “….So, what condition would convince you that the warming trend will continue?….”

    And snowman’s response:

    “….Very simple, GFW. If temperatures exceed the 1998 level, that would pretty well do it….”

    So then snowman, since we know that both 2005 and 2010 were hotter than 1998 (ie the tempatures exceeded the 1998 level), I guess that now means you accept that AGW is proven. Or were you lying then? Or are you just going to change your standards of evidence again, so that nothing will ever be able to score through your ever moving goalposts?


  2. An interesting story today, about Michael Mann and the investigation into his work and conduct by the Office of the Inspector General. The investigation was previously reported – with some glee unbefitting an objective news organisation, by Fox News, here:

    Well, the Inspector General has now concluded their investigation, and the findings are here:

    I particularly love these quotes:

    “….As a part of our investigation, we again fully reviewed all the reports and documentation the University provided to us, as well as a substantial amount of publically available documentation concerning both the Subject’s research and parallel research conducted by his collaborators and other scientists in that particular field of research….”

    “….Lacking any direct evidence of research misconduct, as defined under the NSF Research Misconduct Regulation, we are closing this investigation with no further action….”

    “…..Concerning False Claims, 18 U.S.C. §287 and 31 U.S.C. §§3729-33, and False Statements, 18 U.S.C. §1 001, we examined the elements of each suggested offense and have concluded that there is insufficient evidence of violations of any of these statutes to warrant investigation….”

    “….Finding no research misconduct or other matter raised by the various regulations and laws discussed above, this case is closed….”

    Despite the fact that it is now unequivocal – Michael Mann and his ‘hockey stick’ have been investigated ad nauseum, and even an independent review by the Office of the Inspector General has found no evidence of misconduct or data falsification. I wonder if this will now be reported about on Fox News or on the the deniersphere. Who wants to bet that it won’t, and that your average idiotic denier – once again – won’t let facts stand in the way of their ideology.


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